Miles disrespecting Bob Dylan!? WOW.

[mattdq99]

In the new dvd miles totally disrespects one of the most influential poet and musician! This is unbelievable. Now I love both Dylan and Beulah, but saying that his album was superior to blood on the tracks is really egotistical, and quite frankly, vastly inaccurate. Its one thing if a fan says it, but its another if the actual album creator says it.
This is like Oasis when they said they were bigger than the beatles. They should of left this part out of the DVD. I dont think i will be buying this one anymore. Tis' a shame.
Bob Dylan>>>>> Beulah.

[Lovebug]

Its his opinion, let it go.

[ThatKid]

Didn't he say something more like "who's to say that his breakup was more painful than mine?"

[everythingfallstogether]

That, and how he thought that "Yoko" was better than "Blood on the Tracks".

[ThatKid]

Haha. Oh, Miles. You are just too much. I wish it had been less than two months since I saw the DVD so I could contribute more, but alas!

[ollie]

Who cares anyway. I'd rather listen to Beulah than Bob Dylan. Doesn't mean I'm right or wrong, but 9 times out of 10, the mood to listen to them would take me first. Anyway, I'd bet you the cost of that DVD that Bobby would say that Blood on the Tracks is better than Yoko if he ever were forced to listen to it. Does that make him right in that case? You might think so since you obviously prefer Blood on the Tracks, but I would argue that he's equally egotistical compared to Miles in my dream Beulah-listening Dylan scenario. I also think the only reason why Beulah are not more than legends in their own lunchtime is that they have seriously suffered public anonymity. Influential no, but who besides a bunch of 15-30-year-olds who are hyper-aware of less-well-known bands has even heard them to be influenced by them?

Besides, it's Dylan who is the asshole. Have you read his Chronicles, Vol. 1? Great and innovative musician, really shitty writer and a pretty bad human being. I would not want to meet him.

[Edited on 2005-8-28 by ollie]

[hypecity]

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[el topo]

Dudes, he was joking. Calm down.

[observer]

fuck bob dylan! do not fuck pizza! or SD, not scooby doo, maybe scooby doo.

[el topo]

Why does the E6 board say that the most recent post on this forum was by Bill Swan, but then there are no posts here? I'm disappointed!

[Harnk]

Originally posted by Half-Handed
If Miles thinks his breakup was more significant that Dylan's that's his opinion and he's entitled to it. He might even be right as Dylan is a bit of an enigma and the alleged trauma that preceded "Blood on the Tracks" didn't stop him then producing the oleaginous classic "Sara" for Desire. And agreed Dylan doesn't sound like a particularly nice piece of work - it would be quite some achievement to be as famous and successful and influential as he is/was and not become some kind of monster.

I'm sure Miles is also entitled to his delusions of grandeur, too. I almost wish Yoko was a good record so I could cheer him on. But it's dull dull dull - second rate Wilco posturing. Maybe Dylan wrote a better album that Miles because he wasn't so busy feeling sorry for himself.

Yoko was/is fucking beautiful.

[swanwilliam]

Dammit, I was hoping no one noticed! I did post something yesterday, but thought the better of it. Mostly it was a rambling lament on the state of American education and its neglect in teaching people what "satire" and "taking the piss" means, but then I realized I don't really know what the median age of readership in this forum is. I mean, what does it say for the mental fitness, after all, of a 35 year old man so bored with his current job that he's reading stuff about his former band...a band that has been broken up for over a year now?

But since I got caught, let me just say this to those who take everything a musician or songwriter says at face value: You're better off spending your money on something else. Use the $13.99 as part of a donation to the Red Cross, you'll be helping people who really need it.

For those of you who didn't notice, in that scene Miles was on the phone with someone from the press, likely with a similar lack of sense of humor and lightness of being as I'm gathering from some of the things written here. Long ago we had gotten bored answering the same questions we get the same way, and decided we'd just make up stuff for our own amusement, and then watch in horror how seriously some of it was taken. Dylan has always been known to throw out a zinger or two. Miles was simply trying to carry on that fine tradition.

Not everybody has to agree that "Blood on the Tracks" and "Desire" live up to "Bringing it all Back Home" or "Highway 61 Revisited" (though I've always been a fan of "Desire" and used to argue this with Miles back in our mailroom days, where we were just as bored as I seem to be now) just as, on a smaller scale, not everyone is going to like "Yoko" as well as the poorly executed (and I should know, because I was the one pressing play/record) "Handsome Western States."

Happy trails,

b.s.

[el topo]

Yes, this thread actually reminded me of an Al Franken show episode from a few weeks ago...he did a sketch where he interviewed this psychic named "Accuro" or something like that, but instead of asking him questions, he just kept asking about why he was late and couldn't find his way to the studio, then yelled at a member of his staff for not giving the psychic proper directions. And the psychic never got around to predicting anything. It was obviously a comedy sketch, but the next day he read a letter on the air from someone who now hated him because he yelled at a member of his staff and mistreated a guest. So I continue to be mystified by those who can't recognize a joke when they see it.

I wil say that the scene in the movie where Bill et al get into an argument with a rock critic who invited them over kind of put the terror into me about ever inviting a band over to my house. Not that I'm a rock critic who would start ranting against America. But I did buy a bookshelf from Ikea! It was the only time I'd ever been there, I swear. I will now donate my money to the Swedish sweatshop kids.

[everythingfallstogether]

What's wrong with Ikea?

[el topo]

I think it's Bill who makes a crack at the rock critic's Ikea furniture in the film. But it was to point out the hypocrisy in something the critic was saying...can't remember exactly.

[swanwilliam]

Nope, that was Timmy Tunks, our Lighting Designer. We were all a little drunk.

[ollie]

Originally posted by Half-Handed
And what makes you say he's a shitty writer? His ability to write seems to be about the only thing people are agreed on about him.

His ability to write songs! I think he's a brilliant song writer. But, his book is a hodge podge disorganized mess. He doesn't know how to keep on topic, he talks like some cool cat aging hipster, makes useless analogies, similies and metaphors, is frustratingly cryptic and also name drops like if he doesn't get to mentioning literally hundreds of friends and influences, he will be a failure. There are also spelling/grammar errors that should not have gotten past editors.

What I don't like about his personality is the lack of interest and respect he has for people who are interested in what he does. He talks about how he only really cares about himself and his family and he comes across as scornful to those who bought and loved his music. I think he takes his popularity for granted.

That said, his book was an interesting read, but it was also a really bad read. I could have read just 50 pages of it and gotten all that I needed to get out of it.

[ollie]

Originally posted by Half-Handed
And what makes you say he's a shitty writer? His ability to write seems to be about the only thing people are agreed on about him.

His ability to write songs! I think he's a brilliant song writer. But, his book is a hodge podge disorganized mess. He doesn't know how to keep on topic, he talks like some cool cat aging hipster, makes useless analogies, similies and metaphors, is frustratingly cryptic and also name drops like if he doesn't get to mentioning literally hundreds of friends and influences, he will be a failure. There are also spelling/grammar errors that should not have gotten past editors.

What I don't like about his personality is the lack of interest and respect he has for people who are interested in what he does. He talks about how he only really cares about himself and his family and he comes across as scornful to those who bought and loved his music. I think he takes his popularity for granted.

That said, his book was an interesting read, but it was also a really bad read. I could have read just 50 pages of it and gotten all that I needed to get out of it.

[ollie]

Originally posted by Half-Handed
And what makes you say he's a shitty writer? His ability to write seems to be about the only thing people are agreed on about him.

His ability to write songs! I think he's a brilliant song writer. But, his book is a hodge podge disorganized mess. He doesn't know how to keep on topic, he talks like some cool cat aging hipster, makes useless analogies, similies and metaphors, is frustratingly cryptic and also name drops like if he doesn't get to mentioning literally hundreds of friends and influences, he will be a failure. There are also spelling/grammar errors that should not have gotten past editors.

What I don't like about his personality is the lack of interest and respect he has for people who are interested in what he does. He talks about how he only really cares about himself and his family and he comes across as scornful to those who bought and loved his music. I think he takes his popularity for granted.

That said, his book was an interesting read, but it was also a really bad read. I could have read just 50 pages of it and gotten all that I needed to get out of it.

[ollie]

Originally posted by spiritualdishwasher
I didn't like his prose style either. I couldn't get past the first fifty pages for that reason.

I read the first fifty pages and put it down for over a year, and finally finished the beast this summer just because I thought it might get better. Once I was halfway through, I had to finish it. It's not so much that I don't like his prose, which I don't, so much as it's just bad.

[ollie]

Originally posted by spiritualdishwasher
I didn't like his prose style either. I couldn't get past the first fifty pages for that reason.

I read the first fifty pages and put it down for over a year, and finally finished the beast this summer just because I thought it might get better. Once I was halfway through, I had to finish it. It's not so much that I don't like his prose, which I don't, so much as it's just bad.

[ollie]

Originally posted by spiritualdishwasher
I didn't like his prose style either. I couldn't get past the first fifty pages for that reason.

I read the first fifty pages and put it down for over a year, and finally finished the beast this summer just because I thought it might get better. Once I was halfway through, I had to finish it. It's not so much that I don't like his prose, which I don't, so much as it's just bad.

[KTG]

Originally posted by swanwilliam
Dammit, I was hoping no one noticed! I did post something yesterday, but thought the better of it. Mostly it was a rambling lament on the state of American education and its neglect in teaching people what "satire" and "taking the piss" means, but then I realized I don't really know what the median age of readership in this forum is. I mean, what does it say for the mental fitness, after all, of a 35 year old man so bored with his current job that he's reading stuff about his former band...a band that has been broken up for over a year now?


b.s.

Bill...Trumpet rock,ROCKS!

Hey do you know what mental institution I can find Jeff Mangum at? ~I'm checkin in...He's checkin it...I'm checkin in~

[KTG]

Originally posted by swanwilliam
Dammit, I was hoping no one noticed! I did post something yesterday, but thought the better of it. Mostly it was a rambling lament on the state of American education and its neglect in teaching people what "satire" and "taking the piss" means, but then I realized I don't really know what the median age of readership in this forum is. I mean, what does it say for the mental fitness, after all, of a 35 year old man so bored with his current job that he's reading stuff about his former band...a band that has been broken up for over a year now?


b.s.

Bill...Trumpet rock,ROCKS!

Hey do you know what mental institution I can find Jeff Mangum at? ~I'm checkin in...He's checkin it...I'm checkin in~

[KTG]

Originally posted by swanwilliam
Dammit, I was hoping no one noticed! I did post something yesterday, but thought the better of it. Mostly it was a rambling lament on the state of American education and its neglect in teaching people what "satire" and "taking the piss" means, but then I realized I don't really know what the median age of readership in this forum is. I mean, what does it say for the mental fitness, after all, of a 35 year old man so bored with his current job that he's reading stuff about his former band...a band that has been broken up for over a year now?


b.s.

Bill...Trumpet rock,ROCKS!

Hey do you know what mental institution I can find Jeff Mangum at? ~I'm checkin in...He's checkin it...I'm checkin in~

[the hurdy gurdy man]

^what the crap?