Just to let you know

[Apple A Day]

Incase you didn't already see them, Jeff Mangum has guitars that he did collages of artwork on for sale on orangetwin.com

[wingedfeetxc]

http://www.orangetwin.com/jeffmangum.html

man those are hot...

[hypecity]

http://www.blacktable.com/images/0412pics/jesus/28000.jpg

[Edited on 3-22-0606 by hypecity]

[TapeDeckGhost]

I think its ugly. Glad he decided to make music.

[someoddkid]

id rather buy a stratocaster or a martin...

[Salman]

Well, the money is going to charity... he's not making a profit off of this.

[hypecity]

http://www.blacktable.com/images/0412pics/jesus/28000.jpg

[Edited on 3-22-0606 by hypecity]

[birdman]

Originally posted by Half-Handed
If he wants to raise money for charity then, again, the rarities release is likely to make more money.

Anyway, I guess it's good news that Jeff is "creating" in one sense or another. I think it's interesting that most of his creative bent now, be it field recording, sound collage or this kind of collage, involves bringing very little of himself to the creative process. Is he that burned out?

to walk lightly, for i have no idea about jeff's state more than yours, i would state not that he is burnt out, but that he has moved on. that through some personal revelation he has risen above the conflict that created aeroplane. the conflict gone his output changed. this is my theory, and if not correct, something along this line occured to spark the change in Jeff.

[hypecity]

http://www.blacktable.com/images/0412pics/jesus/28000.jpg

[Edited on 3-22-0606 by hypecity]

[someoddkid]

at this point in time ive come to believe that jeff has given up on music and now thinks it a trivial outlet of feelings. maybe. im not sure though. the way he spoke in his latter articles was as if he had given up on music as a means of saving the world or more so constructively expressing himself. maybe hes just trying to find a way to make enough money to continue on. doing things he knows might a make little money without returning to music... i dont know maybe he's just depressed. i hope hes doing well...

[brerbarnowl]

Anyway, I guess it's good news that Jeff is "creating" in one sense or another. I think it's interesting that most of his creative bent now, be it field recording, sound collage or this kind of collage, involves bringing very little of himself to the creative process.

That's really great how you put the word creating in quotes, as if the rest of what you said wasn't demeaning enough. I'd like to see what it is you do and make, be it for yourself or for charity, that gives you this enlightened perspective of how little of one's self one brings into field recording, sound collage, or intstrument collage. Or for that matter any of the millions of great things a human being is capable of doing other than releasing a standard cd of songs on some label--which apparently is the only thing you hold in high esteem in terms of creating, what a surprise.

[hypecity]

http://www.blacktable.com/images/0412pics/jesus/28000.jpg

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[brerbarnowl]

By sound collage I was thinking of the musique concrete things he's made, which were enchanting--he played bits of them on the radio. I think he described the process as taking weeks of work to produce 30 seconds of collage or something like that.

The original poster was referring to the instrument art and put the word creating in quotes as a way of implying that collaging a guitar wasn't actually very creative and actually involved "very little" of Jeff's soul in the creative process. Which seems ridiculously judgemental, especially coming from some schmuck.

[hypecity]

http://www.blacktable.com/images/0412pics/jesus/28000.jpg

[Edited on 3-22-0606 by hypecity]

[nicholas]

I get my enlightened sense of perspective by being patronised by numbskull fanboys like you.

No wonder nobody likes you. Half-Handed, you've always been the biggest jerk on these boards and always will be.

Collage is artwork. See: Negativland.

Please, keep your idiotic opinions to yourself.

[auxiliaryoctopus]

Originally posted by nicholas
No wonder nobody likes you. Half-Handed, you've always been the biggest jerk on these boards and always will be.

Collage is artwork. See: Negativland.

Please, keep your idiotic opinions to yourself.

I, for one, appreciate HH honesty and forthrightness. I trust his opinion about music and art above all the yes-men on the board, because you can be sure it's his. I'll bet Jeff would too. Plus, he consistantly refuses to assign bloated mythological status to the artists, instead treating them like (*gasp*) human beings.

Anyway, I think the collage is spectacular (and actually, its relationship to Mangum is fairly inconsequential to my appreciation, if I saw it in a shop I'd go bonkers), but I wish it was on a cooler guitar. Those Fenders are pretty blah. Might I suggest old parlor guitars? Stellas and Harmonys would be fantastic.

[hypecity]

http://www.blacktable.com/images/0412pics/jesus/28000.jpg

[Edited on 3-22-0606 by hypecity]

[nicholas]

You've shown nothing.

No thread of yours has ever gone anywhere.

You will never concede a point nor win one (via another's concession).

You are the Internet's equivalent of talking to a brick wall. You drive the intelligent away from intelligent discourse. And proudly.

You kidnap innocent civilians and attempt to force feed them tuna fish casserole and some 'lite' beer. They wake up in trailer parks sore and confused.

It's one thing for the potter to take a special pride in his work. It's one thing for him to feel a warmth when he sees some sweet man or woman hold his mug and sip from it the juice of coffee beans. It's another to be the half-literate convenience store clerk and to take pride in decade old Twinkies and Ho-Hos. It's another to be so lacking in creativity that you must criticize another's.

Go ahead. Point out that this post was a reply to you.

Point out that I saved this thread from being another pointless piece of shit not worth reading.

Your life is insignificant. Your contribution to society negligible. I hope you're having fun.

I mean that. It's honesty. You can only have rationalized your failure so deep -- I hope all the failures of this world have fun, even the ones that can't admit their failure. They've got to have something real. They're humans like me, and I want them to have something real.

Take care.
*short sentences for your pleasure

p.s. It was a bit shortsighted to say that before I had even a chance to reply, hypecity. Grow some spine and stand up to this Brit, man. I stumble into far too many of these threads where it's the same old story -- you disagreeing with Half-Handed, him flaming, and you bowing out.

[Apple A Day]

You should all just stop snapping at each-other and except that everyone has different opinions on things. i personally think that they are ok, but if i had a choice between a Martin or one of Jeff's, i'd choose the Martin. I still love jeff and i would like one of these guitars, but they are pretty pricey.




PS: I never thought my first topic would start an argument like this.

[Apple A Day]

lol

[auxiliaryoctopus]

Nicholas, here's how this works:

people get on this board to discuss music, art and other things. Anytime people discuss things, there is a chance someone won't exactly agree with you. Most adults can accept that. It's okay, because then we have fun discussing.

What is not okay are personal attacks (which, by the way, are not particularly articulate or even coherent) pointed at someone because they disagree with you.

It's difficult for me to fathom how someone could get so worked up about collage, which, my guess is you probably don't even feel that strongly about.

Bottom line: You think collages and everything else Jeff Mangum does are swell. Nathan thinks that, while collages are valid, they are a less personal form of expression than say, songwriting. You kinda freaked out on him, creating an epic post about your "victory." You felt very satisfied when you hit the "post reply" button. Now it's a new day, and you're wondering why you got so angry about nothing. We are too. Now you are angry with me. (it seems as though I'm always pointing out bottom lines. I sort of hate that phrase...)

Now back to collages:

[auxiliaryoctopus]

I'm actually very interested in the idea of collage lately. I think the idea of reorganizing materials around you into something new is an interesting one. Putting things in a new context with others can have a powerful effect on the way we view them, I think.

I think the use of found materials to create art is something that has not been fully realized. The idea of "collage" is sort of marred by Middle School posterboards and the like, but I think there's the potential to be interesting, especially with older materials that might have more character or a connection with the past.

As far as being less personal, I think that is probably usually true, but doesn't have to be. I think one could reorganize media to reflect themselves in a very powerful and intimate way. Also, there is the idea of using you own art (photography, drawings, painting, sculpture ect.) in the context of found pieces.

Have you guys ever heard of Macel Dzama? He's one of my favorites right now. He's got this huge 18 panel piece at the Toledo Museum (an awsome museum by the way) that is his notebook for a year. It has snippets of found pieces embellished by words and paintings by himself. It is maybe the most interesting piece of art I've ever seen.

[jaimi]

Chillax, dudes, it's just a message board.
Anyway, it's nice that he is selling this for charity. I think this side (http://www.orangetwin.com/img/jeff_guitar10.jpg) looks pretty neat-o, and I usually find collages repulsive. I think I'm going to do some collaging right now...

Michael Gillette is my favorite artist right now. I find him quite witty.

[Stephanie]

What are the thoughts and feelings on people cutting and collaging their own photography? I love to take my pictures and cut them up. Anyone else here into photography (the old school way, printing your pictures in a darkroom)?

[jaimi]

Originally posted by Stephanie
What are the thoughts and feelings on people cutting and collaging their own photography? I love to take my pictures and cut them up. Anyone else here into photography (the old school way, printing your pictures in a darkroom)?

I dig that. It's also fun to try to layer negatives. I miss the darkroom at my school and all the free photo paper...

[defgav]

Originally posted by wingedfeetxc
http://www.orangetwin.com/jeffmangum.html

man those are hot...

i'm getting a 404 error from that link now. Think they sold out already?
Anybody here buy one? if so, please consider posting some pics.

[hypecity]

http://www.blacktable.com/images/0412pics/jesus/28000.jpg

[Edited on 3-22-0606 by hypecity]

[mflat5]

Are they gone? The link appears to not work.

[lou2ser]

I emailed Andrew and he said that OT is having some computer issues. They are still available.