Of Montreal on The OC!?!?!

[kylevh]

Sweet!

[William]

Oh.

[kartoonz]

It definately happened. Requiem for o.m.m.2. They even got the blurb at the end of the show. My friend's roommate had it on. Some girl ODed and I really wanted them to play Lysergic Bliss.

[mrs-mojo-risin]

hahahahaha oh man i knew this was coming
as soon as it started playing i literally jumped up and stared at my friend who looked so scared and shut off the tv to ask me what was wrong and i could only reply, "TURN THE TV BACK ON RIGHT NOW!"

but seriously
it was pretty sweet/funny/odd that they played of montreal. i mean, sure i figured one day they would but i just didn't think it would be so soon! but damn, i missed the blurb!



oh ps,
that was definitely the best episode of this season. they even mentioned lou reed. and they played requiem :)

[Edited on 4-15-2005 by mrs-mojo-risin]

[call me hi]

i hate that that show exists.

[Edited on 6-13-0606 by call me hi]

[max]

WAH

[kylevh]

Call Me Hi, you're just being a jerk. The O.C. is not only great on an ironic level (us listening to Ashlee Simpson) but also great on a genuine level (us listening to Neutral Milk Hotel.)

This is only good news for The O.C. and Of Montreal.

[Edited on 4-15-2005 by kylevh]

[RiversShackleton]

i do agree with Call Me Hi about the show itself, it really is bad, but i think this is great for Of Montreal. Great bands deserve recognition and they deserve to be heard by many people. all the band is doing is trying to get a little exposure. i think some times people forget that this band thing is their job and all they are trying to do is their job, the best way they can. great, great news guys, well done!!!

[kylevh]

How is it bad?!

[RiversShackleton]

the show? i dont like how fake it is, it's too dramatic for my taste. i dont really watch TV, other then cartoons every once in a while :) . gotta have my cartoons, or else i become grumpy and old.

[everythingfallstogether]

i used to think it was bad. then i realized i was just jealous of the people on the show. i don't care anymore. good for of montreal.

[patman?]

I think it's bad news, not good news.

The OC is the biggest piece of trash show, and now all of the "cool" kids will know and maybe like Of Montreal.

I forsee a big label signing and worse music.

[dolemites_sister]

Every time of montreal is played on a show we have this discussion. If it gets 'em a few more fans so that they make a little more money to keep putting out their music then that's fine by me.

I mean really... Do you think a lot of people run out to the store to buy music that was on a show? Think of most of America. They might like the music, but will probably forget by the time the next show starts. People who would like it probably are people who are really into music anyway. And we all had to get into indie/e6 music somehow, right?

[kylevh]

The O.C. is very smart and just as in touch with the indie rock scene as it is with the Abercrombie beach party scene. This show is wonderful and will continue to be great because it is self reflexive and self deprecating. The people on this board who say that only "cool" kids watch the show are being much more arrogant than the cool kids you're so quick to dismiss. This whole "cool" kids thing is really a myth, but I'm sad to see that the "elite indie music snob" thing is very much a reality.

[mrs-mojo-risin]

Originally posted by kylevh
The O.C. is very smart and just as in touch with the indie rock scene as it is with the Abercrombie beach party scene. This show is wonderful and will continue to be great because it is self reflexive and self deprecating. The people on this board who say that only "cool" kids watch the show are being much more arrogant than the cool kids you're so quick to dismiss. This whole "cool" kids thing is really a myth, but I'm sad to see that the "elite indie music snob" thing is very much a reality.


i think i'm in love
thank you

[kartoonz]

Would it really be such a tragedy if of Montreal actually made enough money doing music that they could live off it? Don't you think it would be a good thing if they could devote all their time to music and not have to take on other jobs to pay the rent?

[RiversShackleton]

i think it would be fantastic. i also dont think their music would suffer because of some huge record label. if anything it would be better. think of all the resources that would be available to them if they were backed by a big label. i think the only thing that would be for the worse would be seeing them live. if they got big, they would play bigger venues and i think the connection with their fans live would diminish slightly. although it might not, this is Of Montreal we are talking about. :)

[snake oil pete]

Wouldn't it be kind of funny though if 'Requiem for OMM2' is what ushered in the era of MTV and idiot fans and playing shows in front of 20,000 people. Even those of us with issues would have to appreciate the irony.

[vacantmoon]

i don't watch the show but chances are at least 10 people out there heard that song and might get into of montreal now.

while it's not hard to imagine 20,000 people going crazy for a song like 'requiem' the reality is that OM's chances of becoming a household name are too tiny to mention. but the longer they're still around putting out music the bigger they will get, at least to some degree. my hat is off to them for working their magic.

[Harnk]

I love going to see OM when they play to 250 people...20,000 would not seem so nice. Ah well. Good on them for winning over a bigger audience.

[vacantmoon]

think about the fact that bands like pavement were still playing to well under 1,000 people most of the time they toured right up until the end. if OM played to 20,000 people we'd all be in the front row anyway.

i can only imagine the surreal thrill of turning around to see 19,999 more fans at an OM show. that will be the day. if this ever happened they'd most likely be opening for someone like U2 (like when the pixies opened for them back in '91).

[William]

I don't mind some Of Montreal song getting soundtracked on The O.C., but THE O.C. IS ABSOLUTELY NOT GENUINELY IN-TUNE WITH ANY MUSIC SCENE. Its just a popular show, one of its characteristics is how it has been used as a market for advertising bands. The woman who chooses the music for the show is into the music I'm sure, but Of Montreal is not an "underground" band - picking up an Of Montreal record is no esoteric discovery. There music is very easy to find. Its not because anyone with the show has tapped into some deep ignored artistic culture that they are deciding to play "indie" rock on the show. Its still classic popular music, even if its not popular as in translating to major record sales or airplay. Playing Of Montreal on a show is no different from playing Green Day or Gwen Stefani - the only difference is in record sales and thats just a material/superficial difference.


[Edited on 4-15-2005 by William]

[call me hi]

okay.

[Edited on 6-13-0606 by call me hi]

[max]

who fucking cares

[kylevh]

You're not making any sense. Clearly The O.C. is in-tune with the indie rock music scene- they continue to play largely unpopular music on their show. What definition of "in-tune" could you go by besides this? What could they do that WOULD make you say that they are geuninely in-tune?

The bottom line is that this show is a wonderful venue for bands like Of Montreal and Sufjan Stevens to find a wider audience. The "message board popularity" can only take a band so far, but being featured on a show like The O.C. (and inclusion on the O.C. mix CDs) moves their music outside the pitchfork/hipinion internet establishment.

[William]

If The O.C. is "in-tune" than anyone who skims the surface of the "indie" reviews in Spin Magazine or the NME for what sounds hip and safe is "in-tune". A corporate Soap Opera doesn't have the capability of being genuienly connected to any music scene. Its nice that the people who choose the music aren't just choosing what the target audience already listens to but they might as well be. They choose music they believe will appeal to the audience while at the same time setting up a vague idea of what music is "hip" to gain a second audience. They've helped create a surfaced & safe "indie" or formerly indie culture the same way Grunge came up in the early 90s from the current indie scene at the time. Now its Modest Mouse, Bright Eyes, The Postal Service, Death Cab for Cutie, Iron & Wine, Elliott Smith, etc...

[RiversShackleton]

maybe Kevin likes the show, or maybe one of the other members do? they might have been really happy that their music was getting played on a show they like. i know a lot of people who watch that show who you wouldnt think would watch it. not me though, i really dont like it, but the band might.

[dolemites_sister]

Most people didn't seem to mind too much when Apples in Stereo songs were used in dozens of commercials.

What's the difference?

Everyone has to pay the bills. That's life. If that wasn't true, I'd still be in Athens right now.

Seriously, I always wonder how these bands make ends meet being full time musicians. It seems like it would be hard to have even a part time job when you're on tour 5-9 months out of the year.

So honestly, what do you expect them to do?

[vacantmoon]

so the E6 board allows the word 'fucking' but not 'ass'?

[vacantmoon]

oh okay, it does allow fucking and ass. apologies all.

[vacantmoon]

:P

[Squirrellevel]

I don't know Kevin's personal feelings about his music being used on tv shows, but I can tell you that he didn't personally try to get Fox or VH1 to use it. "I love the OC! Please use my music!" Never happened.

This kind of licensing is the work of a record company using their industry connections. I'm sure Kevin sees relatively little money from this. But dolemites_sister is right. Kevin's got a wife and kid. He's got to get paid.

Good things can come from mainstream media co-opting independant art. It exposes people to the kind of stuff they might never hear about otherwise, which in turn can make them curious about all the other stuff they're missing. Personal experience: If I hadn't subscribed to Rolling Stone in the eighties I may not have heard of the Velvet Underground or Captain Beefheart. But I had to skim through a lot of interviews with actors and bland musicians to find the good stuff.

[hypecity]

http://www.blacktable.com/images/0412pics/jesus/28000.jpg

[Edited on 3-22-0606 by hypecity]

[vacantmoon]

look there's a time to not sell out to a cause or image you don't want to be a part of (for instance if the republican party asked OM's permission to use 'i was never young' as its theme song).

but did the flaming lips all the sudden become bling blingers when they appeared in pentium commercials (or whatever it was)? hell no they didn't - they even used part of that 'do you realize' video footage of them w/ the lifesize bunnies in the commercial.

some bands you know aren't going to compromise the identity that's been with them for years just by appearing on tv. after already having established who they are or what they represent it's just a vehicle for them to spread their own music/vision/insight - and theoretically use that money to further their own well-intentioned cause or perhaps further the cause of their friends' bands.

but if you want to talk about how you know kevin's obviously selling his music out to get played on the OC then i might suggest worrying about more important things in this world.

[hypecity]

http://www.blacktable.com/images/0412pics/jesus/28000.jpg

[Edited on 3-22-0606 by hypecity]

[birdman]

this post is so wonderful because it demonstrates the wonders of speculation. we have all, including my self, wasted our time and effort talking about a television show and a bands appeareance on it. we do not know motives. we do not know kevin. we do not know of montreal. we do not know any of the particulars of the situation. this in mind, how can we then type two pages of crap about this om occurance. we are a bunch of little old women sitting in a knitting circle complaining about petty things. its a televison show and a band. we, i am also stating my self, should put these petty things aside and let our lives be controlled by more important things.

[nicholas]

Uh, so what song was it?

[hypecity]

http://www.blacktable.com/images/0412pics/jesus/28000.jpg

[Edited on 3-22-0606 by hypecity]

[call me hi]

i pepsi.

[Edited on 6-13-0606 by call me hi]

[The_new_improved_Kirk]

i didnt read that cuz it was too long, please condense that into one or two lines so i can.

[el topo]

A lot of different people work on a show. Maybe someone at the show liked Of Montreal. Do we need to be presumptuous about them?

I've never watched the show, and probably wouldn't like it, but sometimes people in high places have good taste...it's been known to happen (like when JC Penney played an Apples song, and some other company played a bit of Ladybug Transistor on one of their commercials). Not everyone behind the scenes is a soulless whore. How reductionist to think so.

Don't worry, Elephant 6 will never be mainstream. I doubt Of Montreal's fanbase is going to explode just because of this. Those newbies would still have to put up with albums like Coquelicot Asleep in the Poppies when they do a little digging. And hey, if they liked it, then maybe they're getting some taste.

[Harnk]

Originally posted by call me hi
okay, so it seems that we're all in agreement: kevin barnes is out for money and fame right now. it doesn't bother some of you but it bothers me. i was skeptical when i heard about the direction of the new album, i initially thought that he was catering to the oc types who gobble up this dancey computer music and happily pay twenty dollars for an album and forty for a show. it seemed like sunlandic twins was his move toward fame and fortune and this oc thing seems to confirm my inital suspicion. i mean, if somebody told me that kevin barnes just got a check for ten thousand dollars i'd say wow, super. good for him. but if they told me he allowed one of his songs on a horrible show that he almost certainly doesn't watch or like then i'd say boo. hiss. maybe he does need money right now, so do prostitutes and drug dealers. i don't know what his financial status is right now but i would be willing to bet that his child has both food and clothing and i'm almost certain he would be able to continue making music. and besides that, i don't even really consider him as a person anyway, the man is a soundwave to me. fans are selfish and i'm no different. this guy isn't my friend, i love his music and when he stops making the music that i like it bothers me because that's one less band out there for me to listen too. also, it just seems like the folks from the e6 group were above that sort of thing. i've always considered this whole e6 thing to be probably the best thing to happen to music and it's always been kind of sacred to me. it's not about whether the "cool kids" like them or not it's about the integrity of the art and i think that's compromised by putting music on a lousy show that you don't like just to further your career and make a buck. but that's probably kind of silly and wrong of me to think like that. anyway, i don't think there's anything anyone could say that would make me think that this isn't annoying and stupid and i also think that deep down people know this just isn't right.

twat

[ollie]

A band "selling out" is only bad if they compromise their art. I don't think that's what's going on here. I don't like some of my favorite bands going mainstream for selfish reasons, but as long as it doesn't change the music, I'm happy that they are making money. Art is sacred sometimes, but it has to be sold most of the time. Good art without an audience is useless, at least in a realistic sense.

What I am a little bit elitist about is when a band goes mainstream, its new "fans" may buy an album or two, but not really care about the actual music. Very few of them will love them in the same way that someone serious about it will. Look at all the people who bought Modest Mouse's "Good News." Sure a few of them listened to it all and loved it and maybe went back to buy the older stuff to really soak in the sound, but most people got that just like they'd buy any old pop CD. Listen to a song or two, talk about how the rest of the album isn't any good (whether or not they've bothered to listen to it). It's that crap that I don't like, and commericialism inherent in things like the O.C. or trendy movie soundtracks just encourage it, but that's going to happen no matter what, so I suppose I won't complain. And as long as artists who deserve to make money are making it, that's good for them.

edit: oh, and the O.C. is a pile of steaming poop.

[Edited on 2005-4-16 by ollie]

[birdman]

i think the issue at hand is not om or the oc. its more of a fuck the corporation issue. by the om appearing on oc its a hand for the corporation over the corporationless. this situation allows the the battle come to light.

[dolemites_sister]

Originally posted by call me hi
...this country is so hung up on money, physical appearance, social status and popular entertainment is a major vehicle for these ideals. ...can you imagine how much money pepsi has spent on their commercials all the while there is not a single fucking person on this planet who hasn't heard of pepsi. so suppose pepsi says, "you know what, i think we've told just about everybody we know about pepsi. what say this year we use all of our advertising money to feed hungry children?" wouldn't that be nice? but they won't do that and the oc won't either, they'll just keep recruiting people to help them out with their hour long commercial so everyone involved can hopefully get rich...

From a person working for a company who puts out products that the public buys, I'm extremely glad for the advertising dollars that are pumped into pushing our products, because without the money that comes in from people purchasing the products I wouldn't get paid.

Face it... Everyone needs money to survive. Every dime made from everything goes somewhere... From the CEO's pocket to the poor guy with 3 kids working on the packing line making minimum wage.

Ideally, it would be nice if money didn't make the world go around, but sadly it does. There isn't much that can be done about it. But I don't think we should be dogging Kevin or OM for trying to get a little free advertising out there.

[Edited on 4-16-2005 by dolemites_sister]

[dad_colfax]

i think it is terrible that they were played on the OC, it is a terrible show that just throws in plugs for things.

i agree that its good that they can make a sufficient amount of money by doing something like this.
but it still is depressing.

they could have gotten plugged by another show.
and it may not have been too bad.

but the oc isnt good.
thats why its on fox.

and i am slightly dissapointed to hear this.
and slightly numb from hearing it about a fairly good band every week.

-Alex.

[dolemites_sister]

Originally posted by dad_colfax

but the oc isnt good.
thats why its on fox.


Hey now!! So is Arrested Development which is my favorite show on TV right now....

[discombobulate]

you know nobody made this kind of fuss when "penelope" was played at all the abercrombie stores.

i woke up and drank some water.

mt.

[Edited on 4-16-2005 by discombobulate]

[astro]

i retract what i said.....lets just all listen to the gay parade and love everyone who does.

[Edited on 4-16-2005 by astro]

[call me hi]

Originally posted by astro
Um ok this is crazy people. I have had several people approach me in the last month asking me if i had heard 'of montreal' before, I was kind of mean about it at first, replying with a cold "yes ive been into them for 5 years". But come on people, honestly, I would rather see kevin barnes on Cribs than 50cent. Personally I don't think they will ever get to the level of death cab, the music is still too ecclectic, and if they do, I think the solution would be to change names. That would keep all of you elitists happy because you can still name drop of montreal and 'the gay parade' without fear that you will be condemned for liking something too 'popular'. Because really thats what it comes down to, you are not worried for the music, you are worried that you will lose a band from your elite repetoire of 'bands only I have heard of'.....

[Edited on 4-16-2005 by astro]

i can't speak for anyone else, but i really don't care about my elite repetoire. the only ones who are aware of the music i listen to are my cats and they don't seem to impressed. the only time i talk about music is right here when i'm good and anonymous.

[call me hi]

Originally posted by discombobulate
i understand people buying the album and liking it but not appreciating it, but i doubt most of you really appreciate it either. <b>****</b> the elitest bullshit. i have listened to of montreal longer than anybody on this board (trust me i have), so should i have stopped likeing them when they got more popular on this board? no i welcome people and welcome the constant evolution of the music.

mt

yes, you welcome more of montreal fans yet still feel the need to remind them that you've been listening longer. seems to me that you are one of the dreaded elitists.

[el topo]

I used to change Kevin Barnes' diaper, so lick me!

[vacantmoon]

>> they could have gotten plugged by another show.
and it may not have been too bad.

what? you don't pick and choose what commercials/shows you want to appear on when the goal is to get a little free/extra exposure/$.

people are just hypercritical about everything b/c information is everywhere being tapped into and blown up on public forums. this kind of stuff has been happening for a long time. i mentioned the flaming lips yesterday when they came to mind and then i remembered how they appeared on 'beverly hills 90210' back in the day, way before my aunt and uncle had heard of them.

and you know what? it took them another 7 years before they made any more of a dent in the non-indie rock public eye. but by going on 90210 it was a stepping stone for them and proof that truly strange collaborations do happen on mainstream tv shows sometimes, for the better.

it's depressing how much $ goes into advertising or how it runs the material world in a sense but the reality is that there might be a really good struggling artist/band who wouldn't be able to keep doing what they love w/out the occasional check for doing a short piece of music for the Gap or perhaps Levi's (see: The Lilys). and 9 times out of 10 they're not going to rocket to superstardom b/c of it either.

or take a band like Devo that burned out in the 80s (on record at least). mark mothersbough has made an extremely successful 2nd career out of scoring movies/tv shows, all the while still giving permission for Devo songs to be used in commercials. i doubt he really needs any extra money but Devo was so unique that when you hear their music alongside an ad you don't cringe - you start singing along to whatever great song is playing. at least i do.

and that's the only way some kids are gonna be exposed to Devo b/c guess what - they're still just a 'novelty' band that does that song 'whip it' to most people.

if you don't watch much tv in the first place you're not likely to ever hear that song and always thereafter associate it with the product in the advertisement. read: the kinks, ramones, who, etc.

that's definately part of the problem imo - people watch too much tv and are too hung up on whining about shit that's not really their concern instead of just using that time to do something creative and feel more positive about the world.

[kartoonz]

Penelope playing in an Abercrombie store? Haha, I can't even imagine that. Everyone's head would explode after about 4 time signature changes.

[The Sad Witch]

What advert did Apples in Stereo provide music for and what music was it? I remember reading an interview about their resons for it, but can't remember what it was for.

Anyway, I don't see OM getting boadcast on a TV programme as bad in any way, I think the OC is quite popular among younger teens who may just be on the look out for music they haven't heard before, and I doubt OM get played on the radio much, if at all, and word of mouth can only do so much. I think I was about 12 or 13 when I heard an Eels song in one of the Scream movies (don't hate me for it!) and it made me go out and buy their albums. I never liked the music played on the radio so always liked finding something I enjoyed listening to (this was before I started using the internet) and I don't see this as being any different to a band getting radio time. Even if it only recruits one or two fans that's one or two people to direct their money to OM and maybe other e6 bands after that, and I can't see any way that can be a bad thing.

The thing I don't like is when people (the public, I mean) name drop without really knowing the band and don't really bother to get to know a band- they just like it because other people don't, these desperately trendy people (one guy I'm at college with told me "I probably know all the bands you like because I listen to everything" I could have spat in his face because he had no idea what music I liked and who could possibly like *everything* except someone who has not developed any kind of taste?) Whoa, I'm getting a bit off topic there, but I was basically getting at the problem lying with the people who take the OC to symbolise a cool underground scene and who would only listen to OM because it was on the OC, not because they like it. I hope that makes sense?

If they are included on the soundtrack they will also get royalties so that's good. More money for OM= more resources for them! I don't think they are likely to turn into stadium rock overnight :)

I'm really waffling here, but while I'm at it I may was well say I don't believe a band can 'sell out' unless they had previously made a statement that they would not do a certain thing and as far as I am aware OM have made no claim to avoid exposing themselves to the public (not in a naked way!) Music is an artform but it is also commercial and they deserve to get a decent amount of money for their efforts.

[The_new_improved_Kirk]

im getting naked

[canadiansforever]

I tried to avoid this conversation at first because I had a feeling it would get huge and I didn't want to originally contribute to length. Now, it's already long, so I might as well. I don't care if Of Montreal is played on a Maxi pad commercial. I really don't care if they're played on the OC. I've never seen the show and have no desire to whatsoever. I think that Of Montreal becoming mainstream would be great, but not probable. It would be fantastic for them financially and for the mainstream music world to shove good music in the face of the 14 year olds who like Avril Lavigne for some god awful reason. I am in no way a music elitist. I just happen to be liking music these days that most people are not familiar with. The only problems I could see in it would be a loss of fan connection, as someone else said earlier, but I don't think would happen, and people starting to like Of Montreal only because it's a cultural thing. I think that that is the underlying problem a lot of people have with the idea of a favorite "underground" band becoming popular. I personally don't care if normal people like the music I do, but the idea of someone liking of Montreal without understanding the music, only liking it because it came around and got a lot of playtime is bothersome. But all in all, this news of the OC should affect us in no way. I really doubt they're going to be mainstream because of it.

Sorry it's so long for you people with no time to read, but decide to visit message boards and that's all you can do on those anyway.

[Edited on 4-17-2005 by canadiansforever]

[jefferoo]

O M on the O C. Keep it on the D L.

[patman?]

Hey now!! So is Arrested Development which is my favorite show on TV right now....

Yeah, but it's not being picked up next year due to bad ratings. Yet another problem with America--the inability to find humor that doesn't contain 100% dirty/sex jokes funny.

[dolemites_sister]

Originally posted by patman?
Hey now!! So is Arrested Development which is my favorite show on TV right now....

Yeah, but it's not being picked up next year due to bad ratings. Yet another problem with America--the inability to find humor that doesn't contain 100% dirty/sex jokes funny.

I didn't think it would get picked up again... :( It is far too clever to be on network tv anyway... Very sad indeed.

[Harnk]

Originally posted by The_new_improved_Kirk
im getting naked

I'm brushing my teeth with a broom.

[discombobulate]

i think you took that out of context, or i wrote it out of context, it was eatly in the mornin ans i was very pissy, but whatever...

on a lighter note i heard that they did pick arrested development up for one more season at least and dont forget the season finale is tonight!

[jefferoo]

I know polyvinyl wouldn't like it very much, but Kevin should try to get them to play Rose Robert or something older on the O C.
That wouldn't happen.
you know why, because it doesn't sell cheetos and sh#t quite as well.

[nsed]

NO =~~~~~~
NO =~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

WHAT NOW ? WHAT ?

well... But I still don't think that "THE GAY PARADE" can be listened by people who do not like this kind of music really , or just don't care.
You know , you may be a super "cool" person , and listen to all bands that appear in THE O.C .but you won't put "TULIP BAROO" in your car stereo and turn the volume to the max trying to be cool. So thats ok

[kylevh]

That's actually a pretty good point.

[DrinkTeaEatBooks]

OMG!!!!!!!!!! APPELS ON TV!!!!!!!!! DECEMBRSITS IN TOPSHOP!!!!! BELUAH AND SUJFAN AND OF MONTERAL ON OC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OMG! OMG! COPORATE MEDIA TAKING OVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GOING IN CAVE!!! LITSEN TO JANDEK!!!!!!!!!!!

Aren't you being just a little silly? Or is it really that important that we're different from everybody else?

[Edited on 17-4-2005 by DrinkTeaEatBooks]

[jefferoo]

I don't know.
I guess as long as the music is good... it's all good.


[Edited on 4-17-2005 by jefferoo]

[dolemites_sister]

Arrested Development picked up for one more season?? I certainly hope so!!!!!!!

I thought someone said it was cancelled....

[call me hi]

you know, john kerry took a lot of heat about flip flopping but i've never understood how that was a bad thing. if you're wrong about something you should just come clean. well, i've pretty much completely changed my opinion on this whole oc thing. maybe it was the fact that i've spent entirely too much time thinking about it that i realized how stupid it is for me to waste even a second on something like this. maybe it was the fact that i picked up the album and actually like it. i don't know, whatever it is, i'm embarrassed for the stuff i've said already and i'd like to see this thread die.

[vacantmoon]

R.I.P.

[HolidaySurprise]

fuck...

[i.am.superman]

Originally posted by everythingfallstogether
i used to think it was bad. then i realized i was just jealous of the people on the show.

i haven't read this whole thread, but this is certainly the best quote of the wh0le thing.

[mikehattem]

Originally posted by call me hi
maybe he does need money right now, so do prostitutes and drug dealers...

and besides that, i don't even really consider him as a person anyway, the man is a soundwave to me. fans are selfish and i'm no different. this guy isn't my friend...

also, it just seems like the folks from the e6 group were above that sort of thing. i've always considered this whole e6 thing to be probably the best thing to happen to music and it's always been kind of sacred to me.


wow!!! first off - he's got a kid... believe me I know, when you have a new baby you need all the money you can get...

as for other E6'ers being above this... Robert has let his songs be used in commercials and so did Beulah... GOOD FOR THEM!!! These guys aren't making a living off the few cds that we buy and the shows aren't really big enough to live off if they're not touring so what are they supposed to do?? Starve so some "elitist" won't think they sold out or won't wanna buy their records anymore... you don't consider him a person??? wtf does that mean?? you have an emotional connection to a soundwave?? come on man... what if Kevin Barnes said he wouldn't respect you if you got up and went to work to make money to pay the rent... he'd much rather you be homeless and not working... would you quit your job and find a box?? gimme a break

Mike

[call me hi]

i said that a long time ago. read my last post and relax, man.

[mikehattem]

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[witahemuii]

Originally posted by canadiansforever
I tried to avoid this conversation at first because I had a feeling it would get huge and I didn't want to originally contribute to length. Now, it's already long, so I might as well. I don't care if Of Montreal is played on a Maxi pad commercial. I really don't care if they're played on the OC. I've never seen the show and have no desire to whatsoever. I think that Of Montreal becoming mainstream would be great, but not probable. It would be fantastic for them financially and for the mainstream music world to shove good music in the face of the 14 year olds who like Avril Lavigne for some god awful reason. I am in no way a music elitist. I just happen to be liking music these days that most people are not familiar with. The only problems I could see in it would be a loss of fan connection, as someone else said earlier, but I don't think would happen, and people starting to like Of Montreal only because it's a cultural thing. I think that that is the underlying problem a lot of people have with the idea of a favorite "underground" band becoming popular. I personally don't care if normal people like the music I do, but the idea of someone liking of Montreal without understanding the music, only liking it because it came around and got a lot of playtime is bothersome. But all in all, this news of the OC should affect us in no way. I really doubt they're going to be mainstream because of it. Sorry it's so long for you people with no time to read, but decide to visit message boards and that's all you can do on those anyway.


I really don't care where of Montreal plays their goddamn music, but you can't generalize and talk about how all 14 year olds listen to terrible music and then say you're not a music elitist.

[jlaird]

The mainstream music buying community is younger teens, and what is mainstream popular nowadays isn't really nsync (heh, remember them?) with what the majority of elephant 6 has been about (though the Avril Lavigne song complicated I think has a pretty rad flute in it-could be wrong though). Very rarely has the mainstream allowed artists to experiment and play around with their medium to the extent that the "underground" has.

Anyways, that was rambling----mainstream music buyers tend to be young, and what they buy tends to be considered be "underground" kids as unhip, lame, and "terrible." HOWEVER don't get me wrong, I am intrigued by milkshakes, yards, being number one with bullets, and dirty little secrets as anyone else.

[witahemuii]

Actually, there are a lot of older people who listen to mainstream music, which is not all bad. I understand there are tons of teenagers who listen to terrible music (trust me, I deal with them a lot), but it annoys me because I'm 14, and. IMO, have reasonably good taste in music.

[emanresu]

It would be nice if people were allowed to like whatever music they wanted without having to criticize/be criticized about it. Your musical taste could be considered just as terrible to people whose musical taste you don't like. We're all elitists.

[jlaird]

Word on being elitist!:cool:

[clouds-chan]

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[emanresu]

let's go pwn sum mainstream n00bz

[clouds-chan]

:cool::cool::cool::cool: wrd

[mimimerlot]

Originally posted by call me hi
i hate that that show exists.

[Edited on 6-13-0606 by call me hi]

ditto. i don't even want to read the rest of the thread.

[lepidoptera3]

I don't see what the big deal is. First of all, it's music. It's okay to share. People will like it or they won't. OM being on the OC just means more people will hear it and decide if they like it or not.

Also, I'm going to go ahead and say it. The OC isn't that bad. I used to be adamently opposed to it (I would even say I hated it on principle), but I accidently watched it and it was okay. And then my roommate this past year was way into it, so I ended up watching it all year. It's not that bad. It's not great, but it doesn't entirely suck. And they do feature a lot of indie music.

Also, mainstream music is way better than it was when I was fourteen.

And, I realize that my response on this is a little late and most people are over it. Oh well.