Explanation II for trade

[waltisfrozen]

Wow. After seeing all this talk about Explanation II, I see that you guys would probably enjoy my copy a lot more than I am. My copy has only been listened to a couple times. As much as I like it, I'd rather fill out the holes in my of Montreal collection. If anyone's interested, I'll trade my Explanation II for the following of Montreal CD's (new or used) :

The Gay Parade
The Early 4-Track Recordings
Then Who Will Protect Big Oil, Our Children?
Aldhil's Arboretum

The lowest price on Amazon for all these together is around $40. You might find an even better deal on Half.com or someplace else.

If you're interested, drop me a line.

[KILTqueen]

Oooo I'd love to get a hold of Explanations II just to hear what the whole thing sounds like, but I doubt I could find all of that stuff... oh well :(

[waltisfrozen]

They all look to be in print. At least, they're all available on Amazon.

[William]

I might be interested. What is Explanation II in? Like a version that was sold seperately from Dusk At Cubist Castle in its own packaging?

[waltisfrozen]

Yeah. I've read that it came with the album, but mine is in a plain black slipcase with a small picture of a crown in the middle. Here's a pic of the cover :

http://www.hemisphere.nl/asp/detail.asp?id=153343

There's no writing anywhere except around the rim of the CD itself. The whole thing is still in the plastic cover that was on it when I bought it a few years back.

By the way, I've noticed a bunch of places show the release date of this being 11/99, but I know I bought mine at least a year earlier. Were there multiple releases of this or are the online release dates just wrong?

BTW, I also have the "Vs. Black Swan Network" EP if anyone is interested in that as well.

[Edited on 3-9-2004 by waltisfrozen]

[William]

I have The Early Four-Track Recordings by Of Montreal - I would be willing to trade that for Explanation II.

[thecauseofgauze]

why don't you just order them off om's website? www.ofmontreal.com
everything except for "the gay parade" is in print.. it'll be back in print pretty soon though, and kevin let everyone know that those albums that are oop at the moment will be available again when they go on tour.

[William]

Because he wants to be very nice and trade me for it instead. :D

[thecauseofgauze]

and rip the band off?

[William]

It seems that he sees that lots of people really want Explanation II and he has it but doesn't really need it much so he decides to trade it for a CD he does want. I don't think Of Montreal would be offended by that.

[waltisfrozen]

why don't you just order them off om's website?

I'd like to save some money. Plus, I've got a really rare CD that quite a few people have been clamoring for. I figure trading $40 worth of new CDs for an out-of-print one that's been selling for $75 would be a win-win situation.

I'm not asking for somebody to copy anything for me, so I don't quite understand how this qualifies as something that would "rip the band off".

If I'm breaching some sort of board etiquette here, lemme know.

[thecauseofgauze]

okay.. i don't like arguing. nevermind

[William]

I don't have all four of the CDs anyway so I'm out anyway.

[thecauseofgauze]

let me ask you something, william, and please answer truthfully:

if you took the time to create these albums (artwork, music, and all..) wouldn't you want people to pay for them? i mean, of montreal are people too. they need money just like all of us. how else are they supposed to get it? let me put more simply: they make this wonderful music, and we pay them so they're able to make more of it, tour, and live. on the other hand, i'm pretty much pro-file sharing as long as it's not the entire album someone is downloading.

[Edited on 3-9-2004 by thecauseofgauze]

[William]

I'm not for people downloading a bunch of songs from an artist and never buying their albums, but trading CDs is different because someone has already bought the CD and it has been paid for and now they are just passing it along for an album they want more than the person who already has it and vice versa.

[thecauseofgauze]

understood. sorry if i've offended anyone. i'm sure that by now i'm hated by everyone on this board. i apologize.

[William]

No need to apologize. I see why someone would want the band to get all the credit they can get by buying the albums but I just don't think trading albums would really be a problem for the band since it has already been bought.

[waltisfrozen]

Here's how I see it : I really want the of Montreal albums and don't care enough about Explanation II to keep it around. I was planning on just throwing this thing on ebay and then spending the money I make off it on the OM albums. But having someone buy me the albums as a trade seems like a good way to skip the middle man, and save a few bucks.

[thecauseofgauze]

but, trading four great albums for one rare otc disc seems a little outrageous. i know that i'm being a little critical here, but it is a discussion board after all. why doesn't someone write to will and ask him if they'll ever re-release it? and, since you have it, waltisfrozen, wouldn't it be extremely nice of you to make copies of it for the people that wish to hear it since it is extremely rare, and those of montreal albums that you want are all over the place?
just a thought/suggestion...

[waltisfrozen]

and, since you have it, waltisfrozen, wouldn't it be extremely nice of you to make copies of it for the people that wish to hear it since it is extremely rare, and those of montreal albums that you want are all over the place?

What the hell?! Aren't you the one who was just accusing me of trying to rip the bands off? Now you want me to rip a CD and put it online??

From what I hear, those four CDs are still much less than people have been paying for this thing elsewhere. If what I'm asking for is unreasonable, fine. I'll just put the thing on eBay and see how much it fetches.

Like I've said before, I'm trying to make a deal that would give someone who wants this CD a cheaper price than they would normally pay. Why is asking someone to pay $40 for a CD that's selling for $80 "outrageous"?

[acrobat]

I do not see any problems whatsoever with what the OP is trying to do. He is absolutely right--if you put that thing on ebay, it will fetch somewhere almost pushing $100, which is kind of a sad situation in itself. Furthermore, if one is against trading of any kind--you'd also have to be against used CD stores--money made from used record purchases does not go to the band in any way. The reason it's ok to do that is because the artist has received recompense for the original merchandise sale. There really wouldnt be much justification in continually reimbursing the artist, once it has been purchased, the article belongs to the owner. This is of course wholly different from burning a CD, b/c when a person sells/trades an actual copy, the person doesnt have it anymore. Completely different case with burning.

And aside from all of this, I dont know about you, but life would suck in many aspects without used CD stores. In fact, I would argue that probably a lot of the bands we care about ultimately benefit from such outlets--I cant tell you how many bands I've bought a used CD of, fallen in love, and proceeding to buy a heck of a lot of material by them--oftentimes new. And I know I'm not the only one.

Didnt mean to go on and on, but seriously, there's nothing wrong with what the OP is doing. And besides, you later said that he should burn the CD for people. {ahem} wtf?

y'know, I'm listening to Guided By Voices Earthquake Glue right now, and it's really not bad at all--I think I was too harsh on this record some months ago. Oh well.

[Harnk]

Originally posted by thecauseofgauze
but, trading four great albums for one rare otc disc seems a little outrageous. i know that i'm being a little critical here, but it is a discussion board after all. why doesn't someone write to will and ask him if they'll ever re-release it? and, since you have it, waltisfrozen, wouldn't it be extremely nice of you to make copies of it for the people that wish to hear it since it is extremely rare, and those of montreal albums that you want are all over the place?
just a thought/suggestion...

you are annoying and entirely disposable

[henrikhhh]

what about the 2cd-version of 'dusk..', with explanation2 as a bonus disc.. is that more or less rare than the release of only explanation2? :P

[thecauseofgauze]

everyone else is right. i'm truly sorry for stating what i thought i believed to be right. please forgive me and know that i was in a stupid mood last night. it won't happen again. i see the light now! i'm no longer blind!!

[thecauseofgauze]

because i'm a moron